Unfair warning

[Monipo82]

In-Game Username:

Monipo82
Details of Situation:

I tped to a player called jenci8888. He was in his base. No private or public messages were sent between the two of us before or after the tp. I went out of the claimed land and he started following me. He followed me in the wilderness, where I killed him, but he followed me because he wanted, not because I told him to do so or made any kind of deal with him or any action that could be interpreted as a promise or an invitation to follow me.

 Ban Category:

Warning

Staff Member:

FreeFallFTW

Your Reason:

So if I was warned for scamming and it is to cheat or defraud with a scam I did not scam anyone because jenci8888 was not tricked to follow me in any way neither did I lie to him. He followed me simply because he wanted to without my influence. So what I ask is that the warning is removed because no rules were broken here.

[FreeFallFTW]

Moved to Unban Requests

 

Also,please edit your post to this template since it's the most suitable one for an unwarn.

 

 

Jenci said you teleported him in the wilderness,which you can see in this chat log:

 

 

Among the first lines basically,you see jenci getting a tpahere request,then he said hello and you killed him.Then you can see he asked for his items back.Yes,no private messages were sent before and after.

 

You were warned for pvp scamming because you teleported him to you without him knowing you wanted to kill him or had bad intentions.That is violating rule 5.

[Monipo82]

I think that you are not reading the log correclty; it clearly says "monipo82 has requested that they teleport to you" and "Monipo82 teleported yo your location" I did not teleport him to me. I teleported to him as stated in the log. Inside his claim at the time 21:33:53; then went out of that claim at 21:34:30 when I killed him.

 

 

[FreeFallFTW]

Ok,that's my bad.However,jenci said he was just collecting grass and you baited him in the wilderness and killed him,and if you didn't teleport to him you couldn't have done that.You still teleported to him with bad intentions.

[Monipo82]

First of all he was not baited in any way as I have stated before; the warning is for pvp scamming so my intentions (which were not bad) are anyway irrelevant because there is no rules punishing "intentions" they punish scam which did not happen here, so if there is no proof of me tricking him (proof that doesn't exist because he wans't scammed in any way to follow me) I would like to see the warning removed. Thank you.

[FreeFallFTW]

Ok so you just said you teleported to him right?He accepted your request and now you're at his base ok?He got out of his base to collect grass or whatever and you killed him.You teleported to him and then killed him,that's what I'm trying to point out.Keep in mind there were no messages between you two and the only thing keeping you from killing him was his claim area.

[Monipo82]

But this isn't a scam. Dishonesty is a fundamental part of a scam, and at no point did I intend to trick jenci8888 into believing I didn't mean to kill him. There's no sensible reason you'd want to follow someone around on a pvp server while being completely sure they won't attack you, especially if you're going to follow them out of a protected zone.

This, mind you, is assuming jenci8888 left his claim because he wanted to follow me. If he just casually walked out of his claim for whatever reason, then that's regular pvp, because at that point he must've been well aware I was around and could attack him.

 

It seems that we disagree in that there is an pact of non-agression necessary for the consent involved in a tp. However, the rules don't say a word about this, and stretching "no scamming" to this seems way too far to me, taking into account I've gotten a warning for it. Besides, this pact should be void if you notice that during the original tp i could do no harm to jenci8888 because he was in a protected area, and he must've known this.

[FreeFallFTW]

Ok so you told me in game you teleported to him to see his base and then killed him cause he was punching you in-game (I'll show the logs tomorrow if this is not settled cause I'm going to sleep).And in one of your replies you said you had no bad intentions teleporting to him and now you say that from the beggining you just wanted to kill him?What?

[Monipo82]

You're missing the point. 

1 hour ago, Monipo82 said:

 my intentions (which were not bad) are anyway irrelevant because there is no rules punishing "intentions" they punish scam which did not happen here

 

 

Here I claim i didn't intend to kill him when i first tp'd to him. About the opposite claim, I'm not too sure where exactly you got it from, but I assume you mean this: "I didn't intent to trick jenci8888 into believing I didn't mean to kill him". I assume the leap you made is "since he didn't intend to trick him into believing he didn't mean to kill him, this means he could trick him into believing he didn't mean to kill him, meaning killing him is what he intended to do". But like I said, you missed the point: My intention is irrelevant, I'm just saying that no scam transpired because I didn't intentionally trick anyone, regardless of my intentions. I didn' trick him into thinking I didn't mean to kill him because I didn't mean to kill him during the tp, but even if I DID (wanted to kill him durig the tp), my point would still stand.

[DragonLady]

Hello Monipo,

I was the one that told FreeFall to issue a rule 5.

It was late at night and when I looked at the logs Jencii send me, I got the feeling you PVP scammed him.

When I looked at the logs again today, I noticed that he said "I have problem crafting" and 6 seconds later you asked sent him a tpa. You never said you would help him, or asked him to follow you.

What happened here was not a pvp scam, so I have removed your warn.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience, I hope you have a great day If you have any questions about the topic, feel free to send me a PM

 

T/C