faves Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 In-Game Nickname: Henk Time and date: 12:00 EST time Description of what happened: was muted for an hour for racism, while there was two people on the server named "naegers" and "nigolas". i asked why their names were that and muted Screenshots or Proof: (Use www.imgur.com) List of eyewitnesses: (They should also make a post below) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 This is racist, those players also got what was coming for them right after I muted you- I'll leave the topic open for any other staff to share their input on the situation, if they believe it to be unfair. (added the rest.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 why not post everything insteaad of just one part of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Because that's the part that I took a screenshot of at the time, I can look through my logs and grab the other half- but it was just as bad as that and is not required for me to make my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 [11:44:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: dat name doe [11:44:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Gucci> [VIP] Falture: Are you the famous Nigolas Cage? [11:45:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: didnt know black people were into archery [11:45:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <DMU> Nigolas: Me? [11:45:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: prebz [11:45:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: restart your Dcord [11:45:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Gucci> [VIP] Falture: ^ [11:45:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: no.. the other nigolaz [11:45:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ShadowGhostPT: some one can sell some gold lasso??? [11:45:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] -<Info>- No staff online? Post it on our Forum and we will help you. http://forum.craftersland.net/ [11:45:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: no [11:45:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ShadowGhostPT: someone can sell some gold lasso??? [11:45:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] InfinityBowman: u can make then ez [11:45:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: stop spamming [11:46:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ShadowGhostPT: someone can sell some gold lasso??? [11:46:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] InfinityBowman: if u need string god find some of those plants in the wild that give string [11:46:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [S+][Helper] Cajun_Turk: ShadowGhostPT stop spamming [11:46:42] [Client thread/WARN]: Received passengers for unknown entity [11:46:42] [Client thread/WARN]: Received passengers for unknown entity [11:46:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ShadowGhostPT: i dont have lvl [11:46:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: shoulda warned his ass [11:47:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Virtmo has gone AFK. [11:47:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ItemAuction]: michal359 is now auctioning 64 Apple for 100.0 dollars. [11:48:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Server] --> SAVING DATA... <-- [11:48:17] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Server] --> DATA SAVE IS COMPLETE <-- [11:48:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] *Virtmo is no longer AFK. [11:49:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: in the left cornerrrr we have NAEGERS VS! nigolas in the RIGHT CORNERRRR [11:49:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: FIGHT! [11:49:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Gucci> [VIP] Falture: Lmao! [11:49:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <DMU> Nigolas: Why is my EU2 furnaces not smelting cobble? [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Modded servers stats: [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 27 players online on TekkitMain server. [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 23 players online on Infinity server. [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 20 players online on SkyFactory server. [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 17 players online on Direwolf20-1.7.10 server. [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] More details on www.craftersland.net [11:49:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [11:49:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <DMU> Naegers: No infighting allowed [11:49:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: probally cause black people cant shoot bows sideways [11:49:47] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: #blacklivesmatters [11:49:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [S+][Helper] Cajun_Turk: faves stop with the racism [11:50:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: theres no racism here [11:50:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: sorry [11:50:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Vault> kyrbi: as a black independent woman I feel offended [11:50:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] -<Warning>- Do not store too many items in your inventory as Minecraft was not design for modded madness storages and your inventory will get corrupted and lost! [11:50:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [ItemAuction]: michal359 is no longer auctioning 64 Apple. [11:50:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: but do you need a man? [11:50:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Vault> kyrbi: no [11:50:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Staff> [Helper] Virtmo: Stop with this talk [11:50:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves: what part is raciest? [11:51:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] faves has been muted by henkekalmar for 1 hour. [11:51:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Reason: rule 13 1st offense, racism [11:51:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are muted and cannot speak for 1 hour. [11:51:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Reason: rule 13 1st offense, racism [11:51:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] InfinityBowman: #freedomofspeech [11:51:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] <Staff> [GM] henkekalmar: the part that I consider racist under what part is "black people cant shoot bows sideways" is raciest? now if i said " black people suck so much they cant shoot bows sideways" it would be more reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun_Turk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I do think it's a little unfair because most people, in general, can shoot a bow sideways, and while it's stereotyping that they can't shoot bow side ways it's not definitely not racist. This was a generalization of an ability of black people. Racism by definition is the: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Faves never stated one race was better at shooting bows sideways, thus he was stereotyping and not being racist. This is not a violation of rule 13 because that is specifically for racism, which this isnt. The only case this would be racist is saying white people are better at shooting bows sideways than black people, but he never made the comparison so this is unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerHQ Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Might have been a bit unfair... but you aren't that saint either... so for now the mute stays. You have a few minutes left of it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 so. its actually unfair but since you dont like me it stays? seems kind of horseshit and having a grudge on someone isnt just for muting someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerHQ Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So you want to unmute for the 2 min you have left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 no, i would have liked to not have been muted for an hour for an unjust reason and for people to pay attention when 2 people have raciest names log in. they were on for 20 mins before i even said anything and no one payed attention to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quagma Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm going to put my opinion in. Just as an FYI, there isn't really a time limit for racism. Even if it takes a few minutes for the staff to get to it. There are reasons for it not being immediate, for example, consulting with fellow staff, or double checking the rules. Taking screenshots and compiling them. From what it looks like here, your mute was not for the names, but for earlier racism. Racism is defined as "steroetyping a group of people based on a shared characteristic, in a derogatory manner" The people with the racist names were known, and require a different set of protocol than racism in chat. For example, talking to them not in public chat, but in message chat about having them change their name. You were simply first on the list, and more easily dealt with. You can't mute names. Only chat and messages. In other words, they were being dealt with, but not in the same way or manner as you. This was not due to any bias, or dislike towards you. It was due to priorities, and different ways of dealing with it. Not every punishment or offenses with other players has to involve the whole chat. That's what private messaging is for. For all you know, it was being dealt with in PM. Don't go around assuming that it's all about you. It's not. When you get a punishment, please be aware that it's not all about you. This was only a mute, it's not that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusixs Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 16 minutes ago, faves said: so. its actually unfair but since you dont like me it stays? seems kind of horseshit and having a grudge on someone isnt just for muting someone First of all, watch your language. You've been swearing too frequently in the past few days. Second thing, I'm sure you know what context means, even if you try to change your words and hint us that it's an unreasonable mute, we can clearly see your intentions and actions of going towards racism while trying to have a laugh on the server. Be careful next time and don't try to loophole the rules. I'll write a more detailed reply if the topic is open when I get home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 yea i could see if he was actually taking care of it, however when hes in discord BSing with everyone instead of checking things that should be checked is different than taking care of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Wait a second, are staff not allowed to have fun!? I did not then realise the names- why do you think I suddenly left? Because the server needed attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontario_99 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I actually totally agree with Henk and Yusixs on this matter. There was no reason for you to say such things apart from being "funny", the comments were totally uncalled for. Racism is not something I personally take lightly in chat since you never know who might feel offended or discriminated by it. Even a small "joke" can really upset someone. Don't try to put the blame on others or change the context when you get punished for something you do yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why are there people commenting on this when they were not even there? All im saying is saying black people cant shoot a bow sideways does not justify for an hour mute. Specially when only one of the people were banned for their names. And then to tell me that the mute stays because "im not a saint" is discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henk Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I did deal with both, however the last one was a silent ban. This is the thing about " showing evidence " we show evidence here so they can still form their opinion even if they were or weren't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faves Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Also yusixs tried to give someone a warning for saying jesus the other day for swearing. What ever he has to say is void to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusixs Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Okay so let me get your first doubt out of the way, if I don't side with your opinion on a certain case, that does not mean that it's because I resent you. I don't ban people just because I have a personal grudge against them, it's because of the actions of that said person which brought him to that conclusion. These bans/mutes etc are done because of my role as a staff member, not as a comedian trying to be funny or a politician trying to win everything. If you think I resent people because of me giving them a punishment then take a look on skyfactory, i've banned, muted, jailed, warned countless people on skyfactory yet I still have good relations + chats with the vast majority of them upto this day (The minority are the ones who like to hold a grudge indefinitely.) Second thing we're going to clear is your concern as to why there are multiple staff members stating their opinion on the topic where they haven't witnessed the situation. In craftersland, we don't allow the victim staff in the complaint to handle the issue alone anymore, nor we allow him to have the ability to lock the topic. Don't you think it would be a bit weird seeing as how you would report me and i'd say "Nothing wrong here, ban was deserved. Topic Closed" That would be unfair for the compliant don't you think? This is why it's a must for other staff to have their say on the situation and decide the result among the higher staff. Third thing, for the warning case you mentioned just above, that issue should be discussed in a separate topic, if you want to add it as to add doubts to everyone's minds then I'll have to close this topic for going off-topic. What I will say in this regard is that I usually take screenshots/video proof of actions people did which results in the punishments given to users. If by chance, I don't have it then I rely on the log files as evidence. Note that I have never warned a person for saying jesus. I hope that satisfied your answer for this issue. Let's get onto the main issue now, suppose there's a person who's demeaning your family, discriminating your father and mother infront and behind your back for trying to impress his friends for how much of a bada** he is. Would you let that pass without saying a word? Ofcourse you won't, you would stand up and do what's right. This case has the same core elements as to your situation, but your's is much less intense and has less severe concequences. Your words did hint towards racism and not all people take racism lightly. This is one of the main concepts I tried to indirectly convey to you when I mentioned about context. This is also why I dont have a borderline for racism., there are just too many unique instances of racism where it's difficult to place a line at. That's also why there is no description for the borderline on the racism rule, we just don't tolerate any of it in the server. You have to understand that not all people take racism lightly as you, there are certain people who will throw a storm based on such lightly comments of racism. Please be mindful of your words next time, you've already sworn enough on a regular bases where I am forced to keep an eye on your sentences to ensure if you're bringing a pleasant environment to the server or not. I've known you for a while faves and I know the past actions of yours on the server which led to some unfortunate series of events, but that didn't stop me to think that you would start to change into a better person. I'll repeat what I said before, please be mindful of your words next time. Are there any objections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftyguy23 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 No man with a straight face can claim your statements weren't both offensive and inappropriate. In your comment you implicitly linked to a racist stereotype and black rights movement for cheap comedic effect. The fact of the matter is your comments generalise black people as a whole, which is prejudicial and discriminatory. Most people here agree that the mute is just. Anyone want to add something? Otherwise the topic may be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusixs Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Topic Closed, seeing as how faves was online on the forums + in-game yet refused to make a reply. If you were too busy in making a reply, send me a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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